franceinfo: To relaunch a march around the climate, we need a dynamic. Was it the Citizen’s Climate Convention that brought it to you?
Jean-François Julliard: Yes, I think the Citizens’ Convention has contributed to it. Finally, this dynamic has never completely stopped, even if for more than a year and a half we have not been able to meet like that in the streets of Paris or other cities in France. The dynamic continued elsewhere, in digital spaces, on social networks, through a whole lot of exchanges. And then, there was a lot, a lot of work done by many NGOs on the examination of this bill which has already passed in a special committee in the Assembly. We have rarely seen so many NGOs tackle the same subject and propose amendments, improvements, try to convince parliamentarians to increase the ambition of this text.
So it is a real lobbying work towards parliamentarians that has been carried out?
Yes, on a subject which is difficult for many parliamentarians to understand because it touches on many themes. This bill covers many chapters of our daily life, whether it is the way we move around, stay warm, find accommodation, work, or produce goods. We tried to do a lot of teaching work with parliamentarians who lacked “balls” in a way, who lacked the expertise to be able to speak out. And above all, we tried to convince them that this law is above all a law to put France back on a trajectory compatible with the Paris agreement. We are talking about a climate law, we are not talking about a law to protect the competitiveness of companies, whatever a certain number of lobbies may say about it, which, too, have been very active in favor of this law.
And in the end, nothing is to be taken from the current text according to you?
Yes, there are things that are going in the right direction, but not going far enough and not going strong enough. I will take a very concrete example: the ban on certain airlines. This is already a first thing, because it is perhaps the first time that a law will come to ban airlines for environmental reasons, for climatic reasons. Except that the government is not going far enough, it will ultimately ban a few lines that will not have a sufficiently significant impact to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. There are a lot of tiny little things that go in the right direction, but that don’t go far enough in the face of this climate crisis which is of insane importance.
Is the battle for the climate lost in advance?
No, she is not lost in advance. Otherwise, there would not be so many people mobilizing. We are no longer even talking about our future, we are talking about our present and the present of the populations on this planet. So we must continue to mobilize, there are still things to gain. There are still political leaders to be convinced to go further. It is not too late to act again.
Source site www.francetvinfo.fr